Comments on: This is My Father’s World http://adamhamilton.cor.org/2008/04/22/this-is-my-fathers-world/ Faith, Morality, and Politics in a Black and White World Sat, 06 Sep 2008 01:04:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: Northstar http://adamhamilton.cor.org/2008/04/22/this-is-my-fathers-world/#comment-398 Northstar Tue, 06 May 2008 18:30:33 +0000 http://adamhamilton.cor.org/2008/04/22/this-is-my-fathers-world/#comment-398 What I'm trying to say is that I think a man can know God in his heart before he knows him in his head. But only God is the judge of the heart. What I’m trying to say is that I think a man can know God in his heart before he knows him in his head. But only God is the judge of the heart.

]]> By: Northstar http://adamhamilton.cor.org/2008/04/22/this-is-my-fathers-world/#comment-397 Northstar Tue, 06 May 2008 18:29:12 +0000 http://adamhamilton.cor.org/2008/04/22/this-is-my-fathers-world/#comment-397 W, I think we're talking about two different things here. What do you think the Holy Spirit means by 'seek' in Jeremiah? In the NT, the Holy Spirit through Paul says "no man seeks God". Again, I don't think it's about theology, what can be known about God is vast and good, but it's more about the heart than the head. Just my thoughts. W, I think we’re talking about two different things here. What do you think the Holy Spirit means by ’seek’ in Jeremiah? In the NT, the Holy Spirit through Paul says “no man seeks God”. Again, I don’t think it’s about theology, what can be known about God is vast and good, but it’s more about the heart than the head. Just my thoughts.

]]> By: Wesleyite http://adamhamilton.cor.org/2008/04/22/this-is-my-fathers-world/#comment-395 Wesleyite Tue, 06 May 2008 15:06:44 +0000 http://adamhamilton.cor.org/2008/04/22/this-is-my-fathers-world/#comment-395 "You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. I will be found by you," declares the LORD." -Jeremiah 29:13-14 "The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse." Romans 1:18-20 Those who honestly seek God will find Him. Those who seek a God, but only a God that suits them will find that too. One is Truth, the other is false. This is basic stuff, however a lot of UM pastors and pastors in other denominations have abandoned solid theology for man-centered teachings. “You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. I will be found by you,” declares the LORD.”
-Jeremiah 29:13-14

“The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.”

Romans 1:18-20

Those who honestly seek God will find Him. Those who seek a God, but only a God that suits them will find that too. One is Truth, the other is false. This is basic stuff, however a lot of UM pastors and pastors in other denominations have abandoned solid theology for man-centered teachings.

]]> By: Northstar http://adamhamilton.cor.org/2008/04/22/this-is-my-fathers-world/#comment-393 Northstar Tue, 06 May 2008 14:13:53 +0000 http://adamhamilton.cor.org/2008/04/22/this-is-my-fathers-world/#comment-393 I don't know Wesleyite? Does God judge us on the basis of what we know? or what we do with what we know? I'm all for doctrine, that is not worshiping a false God, but if a person doesn't know who God is, I think the scriptures are clear that he is judged based on what he does with what he DOES know. Doesn't Romans say "apart from the law there is no sin". I don't know, maybe I'm all washed up here, but that's just how I understand it. I don’t know Wesleyite? Does God judge us on the basis of what we know? or what we do with what we know? I’m all for doctrine, that is not worshiping a false God, but if a person doesn’t know who God is, I think the scriptures are clear that he is judged based on what he does with what he DOES know. Doesn’t Romans say “apart from the law there is no sin”. I don’t know, maybe I’m all washed up here, but that’s just how I understand it.

]]> By: Wesleyite http://adamhamilton.cor.org/2008/04/22/this-is-my-fathers-world/#comment-390 Wesleyite Tue, 06 May 2008 03:38:16 +0000 http://adamhamilton.cor.org/2008/04/22/this-is-my-fathers-world/#comment-390 If someone worships anything other than the triune God of the Bible: God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ) and God the Holy Spirit, then no matter how sincere they worship in vain and in fact are guilty of idolatry. Whats weird is that modern Christians and even pastors shy away from this so as not to offend people. Which is worse, someone being offended by pointing out to them they worship a false God, or them going to hell? There are certain things we don't get options on. Such as, who God is, how to follow that God, what salvation is etc.. Something we do get choice on, say the style of music at church, or what we would like to wear to church etc... Those are vastly different however and to group them in the same "oh lets everyboyd be convinced in their own mind" is dangerous when someone thinks it fits for everything. If someone worships anything other than the triune God of the Bible: God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ) and God the Holy Spirit, then no matter how sincere they worship in vain and in fact are guilty of idolatry. Whats weird is that modern Christians and even pastors shy away from this so as not to offend people. Which is worse, someone being offended by pointing out to them they worship a false God, or them going to hell? There are certain things we don’t get options on. Such as, who God is, how to follow that God, what salvation is etc.. Something we do get choice on, say the style of music at church, or what we would like to wear to church etc… Those are vastly different however and to group them in the same “oh lets everyboyd be convinced in their own mind” is dangerous when someone thinks it fits for everything.

]]> By: JaneB http://adamhamilton.cor.org/2008/04/22/this-is-my-fathers-world/#comment-389 JaneB Tue, 06 May 2008 00:21:39 +0000 http://adamhamilton.cor.org/2008/04/22/this-is-my-fathers-world/#comment-389 Not to argue with you Wesleyite, not at all. BUT, should we then go back to the old testement? Become something other than Methodist? Quite frankly I lean toward the Jewish way of life. They all have their points. I believe anyone, anywhere that worships in faith even if it's not mine is striving for the same thing we all are reaching out for, to walk the path toward the light of God as we know him. I for one am more than willing to bow my head with the next believer in respect of his beliefs. Not to argue with you Wesleyite, not at all. BUT, should we then go back to the old testement? Become something other than Methodist? Quite frankly I lean toward the Jewish way of life. They all have their points.
I believe anyone, anywhere that worships in faith even if it’s not mine is striving for the same thing we all are reaching out for, to walk the path toward the light of God as we know him. I for one am more than willing to bow my head with the next believer in respect of his beliefs.

]]> By: Wesleyite http://adamhamilton.cor.org/2008/04/22/this-is-my-fathers-world/#comment-386 Wesleyite Mon, 05 May 2008 16:06:19 +0000 http://adamhamilton.cor.org/2008/04/22/this-is-my-fathers-world/#comment-386 The problem is that not everything is a mater of "seeing grey". In fact God is very much black and white about certain things. take murder for example, he is against it. Take stealing, he is against it. Take lying, same there. There are things we don't get the option of "deciding" on. Scripture gives us specific rules, and on issues without specifics it gives us principles to go by and those are set as well and we can't abandon the principles scripture gives us in regards to dealing with other issues. The problem is that not everything is a mater of “seeing grey”. In fact God is very much black and white about certain things. take murder for example, he is against it. Take stealing, he is against it. Take lying, same there. There are things we don’t get the option of “deciding” on. Scripture gives us specific rules, and on issues without specifics it gives us principles to go by and those are set as well and we can’t abandon the principles scripture gives us in regards to dealing with other issues.

]]> By: JaneB http://adamhamilton.cor.org/2008/04/22/this-is-my-fathers-world/#comment-385 JaneB Mon, 05 May 2008 01:20:10 +0000 http://adamhamilton.cor.org/2008/04/22/this-is-my-fathers-world/#comment-385 My, My, My... Don't we take oursleves seriously? Leaving the church, refusing to tithe, pointing and accusations. Adam always brings points forward that I hadn't thought about and leaves me to make up my own mind as I take his words of encouragement and faith out into the workweek and try to do God's will. Left, right, man-made.... Is this anything new? The unholey, actions man has brought agains his brothers, PLEASE! In "MY Fathers World" he faught in WWII to give me a better place to live and assure me freedom of speech and religion, left, right, even abortion if my God allows. You can't win the abortion debate ... It's as personal as the millions of us who live on this earth. Keep you opionion to yourself. I beleive as a human we are bound by GOD to leave things at least as we found them if we're lazy and better than we found them IF we care. And last but not least not take ourself so seriously that we can stand firm on anything but Gods' word. My, My, My… Don’t we take oursleves seriously? Leaving the church, refusing to tithe, pointing and accusations. Adam always brings points forward that I hadn’t thought about and leaves me to make up my own mind as I take his words of encouragement and faith out into the workweek and try to do God’s will. Left, right, man-made…. Is this anything new? The unholey, actions man has brought agains his brothers, PLEASE! In “MY Fathers World” he faught in WWII to give me a better place to live and assure me freedom of speech and religion, left, right, even abortion if my God allows. You can’t win the abortion debate … It’s as personal as the millions of us who live on this earth. Keep you opionion to yourself. I beleive as a human we are bound by GOD to leave things at least as we found them if we’re lazy and better than we found them IF we care. And last but not least not take ourself so seriously that we can stand firm on anything but Gods’ word.

]]> By: codeemax http://adamhamilton.cor.org/2008/04/22/this-is-my-fathers-world/#comment-383 codeemax Sun, 04 May 2008 12:14:58 +0000 http://adamhamilton.cor.org/2008/04/22/this-is-my-fathers-world/#comment-383 "One can ask what might it take to have an agriculture that does not degrade the soils, a fishery that does not deplete the ocean, a forestry that keeps watersheds and ecosystems intact, population policies that respect human sexuality and personalyity while holding numbers down and energy policies that do not set off fierce little wars. These are the key questions worth our lifetimes and more." Gary Snyder (Pulitzer Prize in poetry, 1975 The politically charged/pseudo-religious posts in this blog defy the Biblical teachings to love one another and to steward the Earth we live in, on, under and over. HC Palmer “One can ask what might it take to have an agriculture that does not degrade the soils, a fishery that does not deplete the ocean, a forestry that keeps watersheds and ecosystems intact, population policies that respect human sexuality and personalyity while holding numbers down and energy policies that do not set off fierce little wars. These are the key questions worth our lifetimes and more.”
Gary Snyder (Pulitzer Prize in poetry, 1975

The politically charged/pseudo-religious posts in this blog defy the Biblical teachings to love one another and to steward the Earth we live in, on, under and over.

HC Palmer

]]> By: Wesleyite http://adamhamilton.cor.org/2008/04/22/this-is-my-fathers-world/#comment-382 Wesleyite Sun, 04 May 2008 01:19:02 +0000 http://adamhamilton.cor.org/2008/04/22/this-is-my-fathers-world/#comment-382 Going back to the point I made in my original post. Rev. hamilton seemed to have missed a big opportunity in his sermon. He could have used the pollution etc.. of the earth that mankind has done to show how man takes what God does and does not do His will as an example of our sinful nature. This would have provided a nice segway for Rev.Hamilton to pronounce the Gospel. Did he though? I didn't hear any of that. Why doesn't he let those who hear him know that we all are sinful and need to repent and put our faith and trust in Jesus as lord and savior. He did ask people to pray for forgiveness about the creation steweardship issue, but not about the issue that each person faces and that is our position before God as sinners. John Wesley I'm sure got topical at times, but his main goal was the soul's of people and their need for salvation. The problem with sometimes that churches have is they assume people in the doors who become members actually are Christians. Churches need to not only do "evanglism" to non-christians, but they need to "Re-vangelize" to those who have been in churches for years. BTW I am copywriting re-vangelize... Going back to the point I made in my original post. Rev. hamilton seemed to have missed a big opportunity in his sermon. He could have used the pollution etc.. of the earth that mankind has done to show how man takes what God does and does not do His will as an example of our sinful nature. This would have provided a nice segway for Rev.Hamilton to pronounce the Gospel. Did he though? I didn’t hear any of that. Why doesn’t he let those who hear him know that we all are sinful and need to repent and put our faith and trust in Jesus as lord and savior. He did ask people to pray for forgiveness about the creation steweardship issue, but not about the issue that each person faces and that is our position before God as sinners. John Wesley I’m sure got topical at times, but his main goal was the soul’s of people and their need for salvation. The problem with sometimes that churches have is they assume people in the doors who become members actually are Christians. Churches need to not only do “evanglism” to non-christians, but they need to “Re-vangelize” to those who have been in churches for years. BTW I am copywriting re-vangelize…

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